Gwen, an apology

[galadriel1010]

A few of my friends recently have posted in their journals about the amount of anti-Gwen vitriol that they've seen, and wondering why there is so much.

So I, being me, replied, explained why I didn't like her and tried to join the discussion.

I didn't realise it was a rhetorical question. Nor did I realise that there's been a lot of anti-Gwen stuff around, because the fandom places I hang out in are Twitter and my flist. This does not cover any of the major non-fic communities or AGA. I had no idea it was going on. So when I saw stuff in my flist asking why people dislike Gwen... I thought they were honestly asking.

Being lonely, bored and procrastinating, I felt like answering it.

So, basically, I didn't know the context, and I apologise for joining in where I shouldn't have. Apparently the fandom is full of Gwen hate that people on my flist don't want to see. My flist is mostly full of people who like Gwen, and I keep feeling like I have to justify my dislike. I shouldn't feel like I have to, and I shouldn't try. So I'll stop.

ETA: I don't think most of the people I'm apologising to are actually friends with me, so they won't see this.

Comments

[teleens-journal.livejournal.com]

I'll join you in saying that I didn't know about the wank until someone pointed me towards it, :(.

I don't like Gwen. Never have, never will and I'll admit to being a part of the antigwenallies community simply because I want a safe space where I can express my dislike. I don't agree with everything they do over there (excessive bashing just to bash is not my thing at all), but they also have stories and meta there that are just Gwen-free, which makes me happy, :).

I don't care for having to justify my dislike or being told that I'm anti-feminist for not liking her. I don't think it's cool to write a story just to bash her, but I do sometimes read stories that write her in-character, which can also be seen as bashing sometimes, *headdesk*.

For the most part, though, I seem to be like you - I just avoid places that are pro-Gwen and don't read Gwen-centric fic unless it's by an author I really like...

*hugs*

[fiwen1010.livejournal.com]

*Hugs* I'm sure there is a safe place in fandom where no one is every offended or has cause to be upset or angry. I think it's called schmoop_bingo.

Damnit, self, get writing!

I also don't like the anti-feminist label. Apparently I don't like her because she's a woman, which is weird as most of my favourite characters are women.

CSI: Catherine is fabulous, and the only character I love nearly as much as her is Greg. Wendy is similarly awesome, and my favourite character in the entire canon is Lady Heather

CSI NY: Favourite character is Lindsay

NCIS: Abby

Harry Potter: Hermione and Luna

His Dark Materials: Serafina Pekkola

Jasper Fforde: Thursday, Wednesday and Pandora

Lord of the Rings: Galadriel (what a surprise).

Doctor Who: Donna, River Song, Amy, Sally Sparrow, Nancy (just realised that all my favourite Doctor Who women, apart from Donna, are created by Moffat. Aren't we supposed to hate his female characters?) And jack, who is not female, but is my favourite Doctor Who character of all time.

Old Doctor Who: Ace, Brigadier Bambera, the woman who takes over at the end of Caves of Androzani...

Torchwood: Ianto and Jack.

Seems I just don't like RTD's women. And as she's the candy cutter version of RTD's women... of course I don't like her.

Also slightly embarassed that that is an exhaustive list of the things I like that have women in them. The only other things I like with a regular crew are Top Gear and... nope, Top Gear is it.

Tl;dr: RTD does not write female characters I can like. Jackie was quite fun, though

[fiwen1010.livejournal.com]

He doesn't write women well, especailly leading women. They all seem to define themselves by where they fit into their men's lives. Unlike Amy, who defines her men by where they fit into her life.

He only has about six characters in total, and they just come around with different faces. He used them all in Torchwood, some twice (Rhys and Andy, for example. Jack and Jack. Dianne and Suzie)