I really hated the way that CoE made it out that that was Jack's fault. It wasn't his call to make, and Torchwood always had a fate worse than death hanging over his head. He might have been prepared to die rather than go through with it, but what they threatened was much worse.
I hated this too. Besides the whole idea that Steven was just some commodity that could be traded in to pay for Jack's sins, the implication that Jack deserved to be punished more severely than anybody else for something that wasn't even of his making didn't sit particularly well with me either.There was no sense that anyone else involved in this decision was punished by the universe as harshly. There seems to be this idea on the show that Jack should suffer endlessly for the sin of being immortal as if he went out and chose to be this way.
Personally I find Jack pretty selfish, but he has moments of selflessness when the stakes are big enough.
I wouldn't want Ianto to be immortal. According to the Torchwood-verse if you're immortal all you get to do for your interminably long life is suffer and suffer and then suffer some more. You're not even allowed to be all that happy in those moments when you do get a brief reprieve from suffering because then you might forget being immortal is the worst thing ever. Ret-conning him would have been interesting especially since he didn't retcon him after the 'Lisa incident'.
My impression was Lucia left. I didn't get the sense Jack had all that much say in the matter.
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Date: 2010-11-17 07:43 am (UTC)I hated this too. Besides the whole idea that Steven was just some commodity that could be traded in to pay for Jack's sins, the implication that Jack deserved to be punished more severely than anybody else for something that wasn't even of his making didn't sit particularly well with me either.There was no sense that anyone else involved in this decision was punished by the universe as harshly. There seems to be this idea on the show that Jack should suffer endlessly for the sin of being immortal as if he went out and chose to be this way.
Personally I find Jack pretty selfish, but he has moments of selflessness when the stakes are big enough.
I wouldn't want Ianto to be immortal. According to the Torchwood-verse if you're immortal all you get to do for your interminably long life is suffer and suffer and then suffer some more. You're not even allowed to be all that happy in those moments when you do get a brief reprieve from suffering because then you might forget being immortal is the worst thing ever. Ret-conning him would have been interesting especially since he didn't retcon him after the 'Lisa incident'.
My impression was Lucia left. I didn't get the sense Jack had all that much say in the matter.