And let's not forget about Gwen's bit with the flight attendant - 'you're gay, you are so gay.'
I have to tell you that the Kai/Gareth panel was full of poking fun at JB. And there was a whole bunch of 'gay, he's so gay' stuff - but I do think that was in reference to JB's statements. Was I uncomfortable, you bet. Am I going to post about it, nope.
I had the same problem with the gay remarks in CoE. And I was told that it was 'gay TV for gay people' so I wouldn't get it. Uh OK. You won't catch me calling anything where characters get 'teased' in a similar manner about being Jewish 'Jewish TV for Jews.'
I think part of the problem is that RTD is the only producer (that I'm aware of) that is openly gay. So people want to defend him. But whatever his motivation, I think its really counter productive to have these throw away remarks. Maybe it is 'gay TV for gays' but lots of straight people, particularly young straight people see this - are we suprised when they then think that 'teasing' someone about being gay is OK? Maybe that's why on one of the major SciFi boards there was a thread titled, "ding-dong the queer is dead," cheering on Ianto's death because the show was too gay..with assorted jokes about him 'smelling queer' and 'taking it up the ass.'
I'd like to think that if Philip Roth was the only popular Jewish writer ever that I'd have the guts to say, 'I don't like him, I find him offensive, and yeah, I think he's a self-hating Jew.' Fortunately, I don't have that dilemna because there are many other Jewish writers who aren't IMHO self-hating Jews. But when there is only one openly gay producer I think its hard to acknowledge that he may not be serving the best interests of his community. But, not my call.
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I have to tell you that the Kai/Gareth panel was full of poking fun at JB. And there was a whole bunch of 'gay, he's so gay' stuff - but I do think that was in reference to JB's statements. Was I uncomfortable, you bet. Am I going to post about it, nope.
I had the same problem with the gay remarks in CoE. And I was told that it was 'gay TV for gay people' so I wouldn't get it. Uh OK. You won't catch me calling anything where characters get 'teased' in a similar manner about being Jewish 'Jewish TV for Jews.'
I think part of the problem is that RTD is the only producer (that I'm aware of) that is openly gay. So people want to defend him. But whatever his motivation, I think its really counter productive to have these throw away remarks. Maybe it is 'gay TV for gays' but lots of straight people, particularly young straight people see this - are we suprised when they then think that 'teasing' someone about being gay is OK? Maybe that's why on one of the major SciFi boards there was a thread titled, "ding-dong the queer is dead," cheering on Ianto's death because the show was too gay..with assorted jokes about him 'smelling queer' and 'taking it up the ass.'
I'd like to think that if Philip Roth was the only popular Jewish writer ever that I'd have the guts to say, 'I don't like him, I find him offensive, and yeah, I think he's a self-hating Jew.' Fortunately, I don't have that dilemna because there are many other Jewish writers who aren't IMHO self-hating Jews. But when there is only one openly gay producer I think its hard to acknowledge that he may not be serving the best interests of his community. But, not my call.